The Guardian Legend

Direct sequel can be a problem with copyrights

Related sequel can be intresting but again a copyright problems might be

Non direct sequel heavely inpired by the original - labirinth base with separate rooms and corridors to fly out to shootemup mode. Also keys/doors etc...

I don't think that we could get problem when the copyright as the company COMPILE is sort-of down
as of 2003.

I say we go for a direct sequel, that's my vote.

I think architecture of game it is not necessary to change. Dynamics should be close to the original. And here the subject line can have sharp change.
In general continuation can be executed in classical style, and in new style. (3D).

Too much time has passed for it to be a direct sequel, as a good number of the newer gamers would simply assume the original was a japanese only release until they got the background info on the first game, then they'd hunt down the NES ROM, assuming said sequel didn't have the original tucked away somewhere as an unlockable.

What I think would work best would be a remake - keep it as simple as the original - explore, find the key, get weapons, enter corridor,  kill boss, repeat. The only change I'd make to the original formula would be to have not only a boss to contend with, but also make it so you have to destory or deactivate some kind of failsafe on the destruct device at the end of each corridor(the only execption being, of course, the final corridor as Aryssa escapes from Naju). Aryssa is her name in the japanese version of the game, in case you didn't know.

In regards to who the main character would be, I'd say keep Aryssa, BUT change her appearance slightly. A good design I've seen has actually come via fanart over on deviantART, found at http://shadowxm1.deviantart.com/art/The-Guardian-s-New-Design-69181341 (http://shadowxm1.deviantart.com/art/The-Guardian-s-New-Design-69181341)   I mean seriously, do we need another female hero who shows off a lot of skin? We've already got a multitude of such female game characters, and if you take mods into account there's a bunch more - too many to list in either case. I'm not prude or "behind the times" - I appreicate an attractive video game character as much as the next person, but my point is, to me Aryssa showing off the majoriety of her bod wouldn't make sense. Maybe having a more revealing outfit as a bonus unlockable, ok that's one thing. But as the default outfit? Nope.

I think the robot could make sense as well. Ala Macross. Also the Character in the TGL is a follower of Macross. I was told that one of the macross characters has a same name as TGL - miria. Well maybe the Aryssa is alternate name? I saw more often that her japanese name is Miria and english is Alissya or something.

I could be mistaken about the name - the curse of the old NES games LOL. One name here, another name there, and yet a third name that we THINK is the official name ROFL.  :bluelanderbig:

I like the idea of how it's possible that she could be "remade" as a Macross-like robot, though if my remake idea was used, that would be quite a change, especially for us "old timers" who remember a female LOL(no offense to my fellow vetern gamers)

as I say before, vote for a remake, keep miria and gave her a longer and/or detailed background, polish the visual a bit and add some new options, like weapon change in the middle of action, a map view in a screen corner when exploring, for the vertical shooter part, things like temporary shields, a single use special attack, maybe too horizontal shooting sections, and well, there are some ideas I think for now.

Special attack? Hm... I not sure this game needs special attacks  :-\

Actually, I could see each special weapon having it's own "special attack" that costs major power chips to do, in addition to requiring all upgrades for said weapon. For example, if the laser sword had, say two regular upgrades, you would need them, PLUS an additional upgrade to enable the special attack, and it's cost would be upwards of 500 power chips.

I know the above is impossible in the game but my reasoning is if TGL WAS remade using today's generation of console hardware, there would literally be no limits(or rather, no reason for a limit) to the number of power chips you can collect and keep in your inventory.

arseniy, this could actually be something that could tie in with the "secret rooms" we were discussig in another topic - your thoughts?

Did you read I got idea that secret rooms is a wall that can be crushed with a certain weapon and also if leave area the wall HP get back to 100% so no chance to break it without know the weapon. On the other site I think we should let to save game in any room player in if there is no monsters.
OH well. So about the special attacks. The only thing I think is that might be an overpowering. If the super attack uses lots of chips then it will be used in boss battles mostly?
I think if it accomulates from something it would be better than a chip usage at any point. I mean it accomulates and then when u get special metr full it make a powerfull shot.
It could work like this
U shoot with certain weapon - special metr accomulates.
U switch to other wepon - special metr go 0.
This could give some tactic or something.
Really hard question. Of course a special attack for each wepon is cool but I just afraid it's very hard to find a balance to not make overpowered plane.

Quote from: Rynn Rayne on January 18, 2010, 06:07:52 AM
Actually, I could see each special weapon having it's own "special attack" that costs major power chips to do, in addition to requiring all upgrades for said weapon. For example, if the laser sword had, say two regular upgrades, you would need them, PLUS an additional upgrade to enable the special attack, and it's cost would be upwards of 500 power chips.

I know the above is impossible in the game but my reasoning is if TGL WAS remade using today's generation of console hardware, there would literally be no limits(or rather, no reason for a limit) to the number of power chips you can collect and keep in your inventory.

arseniy, this could actually be something that could tie in with the "secret rooms" we were discussig in another topic - your thoughts?

If you prefer other term, what think about "stronger attack", after all they?re only ideas and concepts, and playing with them is a common part in proyects like this  ;)

I pretty much think this will be open source project :bluelander:. I not pretend to direct it. It will depend on the opinions of the fans I m sure.
Just saying that I not sure how to make special/strong attacks to not overload the game and keep it balanced.

Quote from: Viper Leo on January 18, 2010, 09:52:22 PM
If you prefer other term, what think about "stronger attack", after all they?re only ideas and concepts, and playing with them is a common part in proyects like this  ;)

let me show you some sketchs I done for a little grapic novel proyect ^^ http://fireleo05.deviantart.com/gallery/#Moon-of-Mind  , and this is an Original Character highly based on Miria and a bit of Rockman http://fireleo05.deviantart.com/art/the-Red-Angel-146913853 , her name is Dinna.

As Viper Leo said, this is where ideas come out, hence my suggestion.

How exactly are you planning on making this arseniy? Will you, or your team, be using the original game as a base and modify it as necessary, or will this be an entirely new construct - you and/or your team will be making the game engine, character designs, etc.?

I apologize if you already stated this in a different topic, but I haven't had the time to look through every single topic here as of yet.

Quote from: Rynn Rayne on January 27, 2010, 08:12:43 PM
As Viper Leo said, this is where ideas come out, hence my suggestion.

How exactly are you planning on making this arseniy? Will you, or your team, be using the original game as a base and modify it as necessary, or will this be an entirely new construct - you and/or your team will be making the game engine, character designs, etc.?

I apologize if you already stated this in a different topic, but I haven't had the time to look through every single topic here as of yet.

I not have exact plan yet. I m not programmer and not good drawer. The only thing I can suggest is to bring some ideas and make music for the game. The game will be based on many opinions by people who desire for a sequel for the original.
I think it could have point to make a game based on some game developement tool like Multimedia Fusion, Gamemaker and such. This could help create a "Level Editor" for people who would like to participate in work.
I would also invest my own money into this (if I had :bluelander:)
I think it should be open source project.
Such a smooth plan.
I created 10+ good flash games(and few great) by far so I m little familiar with game developement.

i think having a sequal that keeps to the classic feel is important.. making it too 3-d would taint the idea i believe

also.. as for the special weapons and main weapons.. I think it would be awesome if you could use chips to upgrade your weapons.. very slowly but with great result by the end of the game...
like here is an example of my idea..
main weapon starts at 100% damage and the max is.. oh say 400%
and you can use 50chips to upgrade it to 101%, and then 75 to get another % and then 113, 219, 330, 445
im just doing a (previous total + 50% of previous total = new cost)..

and im not completly sure the platform of medium this game would be made on but im loving the ideas.. be glad to help with this project..

Quote from: RagnarokNAJU on February 05, 2010, 04:49:04 PM
also.. as for the special weapons and main weapons.. I think it would be awesome if you could use chips to upgrade your weapons.. very slowly but with great result by the end of the game...
like here is an example of my idea..
main weapon starts at 100% damage and the max is.. oh say 400%
and you can use 50chips to upgrade it to 101%, and then 75 to get another % and then 113, 219, 330, 445
im just doing a (previous total + 50% of previous total = new cost)..

and im not completly sure the platform of medium this game would be made on but im loving the ideas.. be glad to help with this project..

I not clear with the idea of upgrade by chips. hm...
So if we have 4000 max chips then final upgrade for each weapon costs 4000. that means that each weapon u got you will have to go around just to pick chips for upgrade. It's similar like u go around in RPG exp based and kill for exp.

Quote from: arseniy on January 17, 2010, 06:04:47 AM
Special attack? Hm... I not sure this game needs special attacks  :-\

i have an idea for a special attack, give EE a recharge bar (slow at the begining of the game, a little faster later....once you upgrade it)

so you can only hold 1 EE at a time, but you have unlimited, also, since its a "special" it should be on a different button ( so you will have 3 attack buttons, Basic gun, Selected Weapon, and your rechargable EE)

Good idea. EE can be just another special weapon. No need special button for it.

needs to be a remodel, that means its going to be the exact idea of the original with tweaks that make sense. Which means its 2D or a 2.5 D game title, aka utilizing top-down and side-scrolling 2d/3d. this means re-naming it so that there are no lawsuits over owner copyrights form whomever may still be gripping onto them for an oddball reason.

the name must be close and relate to the original. for example we take out "the" it becomes Guardian Legends (added the 's'), now it will be a new game and we don't have to do a redo of the old game like it were a updated hack. This means we can explore new things and old ones too to give a classic feel.

I believe in a 2D SNES like version for the Xbox Live Arcade would be great. Since I have the right contacts.

I think you should all try a game called Image Fight for the NES too, was a great advanced shooter of the day. There may be solid ideas you can take in and combine.

well I'm poofed out for now, best of luck till I get back with more solid goodness.

*Bump*
Bumping up this for the new people to read, fans especially, to hear their words about the current Poll here that may be quite a fundamental need soon.

Quote from: RandomSpriter on May 12, 2010, 07:52:54 PM
*Bump*
Bumping up this for the new people to read, fans especially, to hear their words about the current Poll here that may be quite a fundamental need soon.

Agree. Hope more people joined who played and liked TGL :heart0: to have a sharper poll result :)

Indeed, Direct Sequel seems to be just above a stand alone.

I would love to see a story related to Mirin's, but with a new protagonist to carry on her work in the future when a new evil arises. I hate games that make sequels that have absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the series. If you are going to make a sequel, than make it a sequel, not something that you could call a totally different title and people would have never guessed that the two were related.

Hrm. But why you call her Mirin? She is Miria in Japanese version and in English version somehow she has name Alyssa(not sure why I think someone explained but I forgot)

Mirin is the only one I knew lol. I like it best honestly since it is the most unique. As I said from my research, Mirin hasn't been a registered name in the U.S. for over 100 years.