Well, this may sound like it's more of a debate.
But let's try and brainstorm up something here.
Firstly: Should this be a stand alone game, or a sequel, or maybe even a prequel?
Secondly: If StandAlone/Sequel/Prequel, why should this exist?
(Naju got destroyed, but the Naju'ans(The aliens atleast has not been confirmed to their original source thereby getting a temporary name of Naju'ans) survived due to some of the forms being able to live in space after the Concussion Blast of the destruction of Naju, but resided in a coma in space for several/Hundred years until they found a new habitat(Earth?), Miria, being a System DP, may have been in a unaltered Age due to the Cybernetic she has gone under, and returns to be in active Duty over several decades. The Naju'ans has due to their adaptability, begun a widespread infection of Earth's own habitats, and has become quite a hostile takeover of Earth, leaving many humans(Although this is in an alternate of our own, I say that Earth's Humankind counter is around 500 Million or less.) unable to counter the attack. Miria(Along with other System DPs) becomes the defenders of several different nations, including America Asia Africa, the Poles and EU, where the infection has become quite a horrendous event. Due to that the timeline can be tweaked, there's underground High Speed traveling systems(velocity tubes) that is used by the humans and System DPs(Zelda Walk World stages), and each area where the Fly Zones will be is in the Earth's own habitat that has been changed by the Naju'ans presences, like the Amazon Jungle, Ruined Cities(Big Apple?), Africa Plains, Desert of Asia etc etc. Although they are not corridor anymore, the System DPs will be using a GPSTAU, Globan Positioning Satelite Threat Assesment Unit, which pinpoints where the larger infection comes from. The Naju'ans though have changed themselves to be quite different from their Naju Planets ecology. Due to their adaptitude, they have resumed the roles of a Queen/King of the area, once that specie has been attacked, the rest of the Area will crumble due to no order nor "life essence" that comes from the King and Queen, thereby starving to death within minutes. This is most likely due to that Food sources of Earth is more or less scarse to the point of that the Humans been un the underground for several Millenia(Meteor Crash Route of story in the previous Time Line?)
That's my brainstorm at the moment. Debate or Discuss or flat out deny, or add your own little twist to this, or take it apart, that this is a good start?
I would try to make standalone heavily based on original's with adventure + shmup and similar but improved weapons system.
Personally I never was into original's plot because I did understand english pretty bad back then and only info I tried to translate good is how to open corridors.
OK if it's a sequel then:
The Naju was not destroyed but got into parralel space. From the parralel space it did traveled to the earth and opened portal between Naju and Earth.
Humans trying to defend but Nuju's monsters are strong and weapons not able to overcome portal.
Humans take the chance by creating another guardian. A secret technology only a top ones know about. It takes lots of energy resources maybe or maybe it's possible to create only 1 guardian in 100 years. Or 1000?
The Guardian fights the Naju base point on the earth and then travel into portal to reach Naju to try to stop it.
We also should answer a questions.
Why Naju's monsters try to conquoer the earth?
Who is behind the monsters production?
The one who is behind of course did changed the self destruct mechanism. If monsters was just dumb there would not be danger really.
Who is blue landers? :bluelander: :heart0: and how they survived against Naju's monsters :eyeblue::skull:?
Quote from: arseniy on April 27, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
I would try to make standalone heavily based on original's with adventure + shmup and similar but improved weapons system.
Personally I never was into original's plot because I did understand english pretty bad back then and only info I tried to translate good is how to open corridors.
OK if it's a sequel then:
The Naju was not destroyed but got into parralel space. From the parralel space it did traveled to the earth and opened portal between Naju and Earth.
Humans trying to defend but Nuju's monsters are strong and weapons not able to overcome portal.
Humans take the chance by creating another guardian. A secret technology only a top ones know about. It takes lots of energy resources maybe or maybe it's possible to create only 1 guardian in 100 years. Or 1000?
The Guardian fights the Naju base point on the earth and then travel into portal to reach Naju to try to stop it.
We also should answer a questions.
Why Naju's monsters try to conquoer the earth?
Who is behind the monsters production?
The one who is behind of course did changed the self destruct mechanism. If monsters was just dumb there would not be danger really.
Who is blue landers? :bluelander: :heart0: and how they survived against Naju's monsters :eyeblue::skull:?
A parallel space you say. Hmm. Quite interesting Theory, since the technology of the Aliens on Naju'ans isn't very well known, which means we may tweak something out of it.
What if there is a way to connect Naju with Eart, and during the Guardian Miria's way to the Naju Planet, the aliens already started attacking due to porting in (somehow) to Earth.
Already causing a upheaval of carnage and infestation, all without Miria knowing about it. So it's more of a "While Miria was on Naju, [this] happened on Earth."?
And I really like the idea of the resources needed to "create" a System DP(Guardian) is very scarse and/or impossible to create them due to something.
Makes the System DP more unique, then again, what if this guardian on Earth is more of a "new"created character?
With the Tandem(Both Guardians) Fighting on Naju as well on Earth, what can we do with this, Hmm?
About the questions:
"Why Naju's monsters try to conquer Earth" Well they need to be sentinent, they DID take over Naju after all, since they knew of Miria's attack on Naju to destroy it.
Maybe that is why they decided to infestate and conquer Earth instead, ridding both of the humans who are a threat with the Guardian(Miria) on her way to Naju, but mistakingly did not know that another Guardian was oN Earth(Newly created one).
"Who is behind the Monster production."
The route of "the Naju made them" is alittle overdone already with so many other games at the moment, so that option shouldn't be taken.
How they got to Naju(And even made it moving towards Earth, which proves they are sentinent beings.) is a good question.
As we've seen, most of the Naju Aliens in the original games "Spews" out ALOT of things, alien Missile(Living ones) etc etc.They seem to have a high reproduction rate atleast.
As for Blue Landers, perhaps his "mission" is to destroy Earth? Who else can change the course(If not the Aliens that is) of Naju and made it move to Earth?
There's alot we don't know about the Real Naju'ans pre Alien Infestation,alot to play around with!
As for why they survived, I thought that they weren't "alive", more of a talking statue or "Naju computer"?
Here the game start idea I have:
The earth proclaim another beauty contest but by some reason the only way to enter contest is that only virgin 16 y.o. alowed. The girl you play win the contest of course. Then they choose between girls and they searching for the girl with the most clear spirit or something like that. So it's you and you have to decide to refuse normal human life and to teurn into guardian. Can be a small episode around it and another girl who claiming to be choosen.
Ok so you turn into guardian and go to war with the Naju danger.
Why I suggest virgin is because that would attract more people to play game. Well you have to know nowadays most of the games filled with sexy stuff.
Blue Landers
Since the Guardian is something very special then maybe she is able to see/percept something that usual creature not able to? That is why she can see blue landers and maybe they are ghosts of the Naju's crew?
What they want
Basically nothing said about why for Naju was sent to the earth. It says long ago alien race sent a huge world filled with monsters.
Does that means Naju is only a weapon created by some alien race that keep live somewhere. This alien race as we can guess from arriving to Naju killed everyone exept someone. The self destruct mechanism doesn't make much sense for. We not have self destruct option on earth are we? Then alien race created self destruct mechanism. Why for. I think this is just a flaw in the plot of original.
Naju turned into weapon
I think it's most possible that Naju was a planet with some civilisation on it and it was attacked by aliens and used to turn it into monster production. But again what the point to send it to the earth... Also the real danger is not Naju right? The danger is the ones who attacked Naju and turned it into the monster. I think this could be little by little revealed in the game and trumpeted to a player the way so he feel the tragedy of Naju really deep.
Quote from: arseniy on April 28, 2010, 01:30:14 AM
Here the game start idea I have:
The earth proclaim another beauty contest but by some reason the only way to enter contest is that only virgin 16 y.o. alowed. The girl you play win the contest of course. Then they choose between girls and they searching for the girl with the most clear spirit or something like that. So it's you and you have to decide to refuse normal human life and to teurn into guardian. Can be a small episode around it and another girl who claiming to be choosen.
Ok so you turn into guardian and go to war with the Naju danger.
Why I suggest virgin is because that would attract more people to play game. Well you have to know nowadays most of the games filled with sexy stuff.
Blue Landers
Since the Guardian is something very special then maybe she is able to see/percept something that usual creature not able to? That is why she can see blue landers and maybe they are ghosts of the Naju's crew?
What they want
Basically nothing said about why for Naju was sent to the earth. It says long ago alien race sent a huge world filled with monsters.
Does that means Naju is only a weapon created by some alien race that keep live somewhere. This alien race as we can guess from arriving to Naju killed everyone exept someone. The self destruct mechanism doesn't make much sense for. We not have self destruct option on earth are we? Then alien race created self destruct mechanism. Why for. I think this is just a flaw in the plot of original.
Naju turned into weapon
I think it's most possible that Naju was a planet with some civilisation on it and it was attacked by aliens and used to turn it into monster production. But again what the point to send it to the earth... Also the real danger is not Naju right? The danger is the ones who attacked Naju and turned it into the monster. I think this could be little by little revealed in the game and trumpeted to a player the way so he feel the tragedy of Naju really deep.
I think the virgin thing is abit "too much" there Arseniy, we can be fine that if the "newly chosen" Guardian may be young, and sexiness should come naturally, not forcefully.
We can keep it sexy, but needs to be within reason. :P
Actually, the Blue Lander is a mascot for Compile. :P
Their design in the game is merely for advertisment, the true form of the Naju can still be changed with that in mind.
As for why they survived is still a good question, we can, for example, just say that they were hiding themselves inside a barricaded room and kept alive that way.
Would also mean that they survived due to their body, which means they shouldn't be "living" beings more or less...
Argh, head is starting to hurt now, too many unanswered questions.
An alien race sent a huge world filled with monsters...Eh... That can be quite a neat thing. Sending a whole HIVE onto Earth is quite a damn good plan, of course, the alien didn't create Naju, and it only became a victim. Must be some smart Aliens then for certain that we possible can have a mention on, even make it so the aliens who did erase Naju citizen and made it into a hive for their monsters.
Quite interesting thoughts there, Arseniy.
As for how it starts, a Beauty contest you say...
What if this girl wants to be in a beauty contest, but once she finally gets into the finals, she becomes one of the chosen for being a "possible" guardian?
Would be able to be told during the course of the game that she didn't get into the finals due to that she was more or less forced to become a guardian test?
But a Beauty contest winner sounds abit too rough. :P Might as well be a training program, or a contest of the possible Guardians to be chosen to become ones.
I think Virgin idea is fine and attractive(for guys at least). Nothing is wrong with that the guardian power can be used only by a virgin and the fact that the simple girl(person) are able to become Guradin(example is Matrix,Star Wars) will work much better for people. If the person should be a trained marine that limits the addiction.
What's wrong with virgin theme? I think this is quite cool idea and makes a filter for a whores and more thoughtfull attitude about sexual acts.
That beauty contest was created to attract 16 y.o. virgins. It's not a totalirized earth where goverment put their dirty hands into provate life it's an earth with higher moral than we have now. But Guardian secret can't be revealed to anyone. Maybe that's not a beauty contest but something else so they can make a contests for the girls where they check reflexes etc and all covered by the Contest.
Yeah that could be done like she not win(because winner will be shown to people). Oh sure! She lose and feel a bit down and then she leaded by someone to somewhere where they suggest her the Mission. Pretty intriguin! Of course! Contest winner should stay on the earth between people so no one can guess it was a cover to find a guardian!
Anda... will the earth be a one whle nation without different goverments?
The contest called Dream Girl. The reason why they choose virgin is because this way every man on the earth would want to marry her.
If you read a physiology you can find my idea about virgin not so silly. The body changes when girl starts to have sex because it starts to prepare to be pregnant. And also they look for the girl with clear spirit and who wont pity to become Guardian because she will have all human nature remain.
Imagine she starts have depression because she can't have man like she had before? Being innocent she will become perfect to turn into The Guardian instead of grown up human. Anda 16 y.o. is a turn point where female human can become something else than human. Is it makes sens now?
Now Imagine someone who never played TGL before gettin into this story. The more emotional and thoughtfull story we put in the better! I belive.
Would be hard to make that small start episode to be addicting to play. No shooting :D no explosions :)
This would need some intro that would make intrigue and the sunny days of competition should take 3 minutes total. Should be done like while we play all this peacefull begining player has a strong feeling something is going on and it's something big....
If you are to do that, it should be scientifically reason to keep a "pure" visage on the humans who can become Guardians. Sci Fi theme after all. :p
Could make some sense that during the human body is growing and adapting itself as mostly during 16+ year old person, and is the highest chance of a possible Guardian Creation?
A higher morale World doesn't sound like a bad idea. We kinda need it compared to our own World at the moment. :P
We could probably make it that the person who actually won, wasn't compatible to the creation of Guardian(For unknown reasons.) so they take the follow up person(The Playable character)?
I think Earth should be unified for the most part, atleast with no boundry country line(Or we have to come into factions and make it way more complex then it needs to be.)
Dream Girl Contest sounds funny in a way. But can we take it to be a more serious Contest about the woman involved(Of course, they public shouldn't know the candidates may become Guardians of course, Secrecy is never bad.). We kinda need to figure out about how the contest most be done, really. =/
About the Virgin thing, I do not deny that the female body changes with the pregnancy and such. But I think it should be more of a reason that if you wish to apply to the contest, you need to be "unchained" by Morale and mortal desires(A requirement?) due to that they need "pure" applicants, which doesn't sound so bad at all.
If people haven't played TGL before, we still need to have that "atmosphere" from the original, since that is what made it so loveable for most of us who played it.
The first part usually starts slow and then builds up, as the same for most game, unless there is conflicts between characters(Other Guardian candidates.) With the conest in mind we might be able to make it some fun to see, depending on how the contest is done atleast.
well if there would be the contest it can be thought out some way. The winner cannot be the Guardian by default because winner should be presented to people and the possible Guardian can be even judged too low to keep interest out of her :)
LOL maybe Blue landers created that contest XD
Oh and maybe blue landers kept Miria power to give it to another person to stop aliens behind the Naju tragedy?
as the idea...
actually it would be very hard to create a contest part, it's like making another game. So to be able to do that there can be a storyline window which has a contest comic in there. Later in the game new story parts can be opened there.
For example I do hate game with long introductions because I can't know if the game is great to play and not want to bother reading anything like that. But later if the game was great I can have big curiosity to read story.
So the story section can be a nice feature to not bother anyone but fullfil desires of those who liked the game awesomeplz
Quote from: arseniy on April 28, 2010, 03:30:49 AM
I think Virgin idea is fine and attractive(for guys at least). Nothing is wrong with that the guardian power can be used only by a virgin and the fact that the simple girl(person) are able to become Guradin(example is Matrix,Star Wars) will work much better for people. If the person should be a trained marine that limits the addiction.
What's wrong with virgin theme? I think this is quite cool idea and makes a filter for a whores and more thoughtfull attitude about sexual acts.
That beauty contest was created to attract 16 y.o. virgins. It's not a totalirized earth where goverment put their dirty hands into provate life it's an earth with higher moral than we have now. But Guardian secret can't be revealed to anyone. Maybe that's not a beauty contest but something else so they can make a contests for the girls where they check reflexes etc and all covered by the Contest.
Yeah that could be done like she not win(because winner will be shown to people). Oh sure! She lose and feel a bit down and then she leaded by someone to somewhere where they suggest her the Mission. Pretty intriguin! Of course! Contest winner should stay on the earth between people so no one can guess it was a cover to find a guardian!
Anda... will the earth be a one whle nation without different goverments?
i dont think we should try to attract 16 year old girls to play this game. to be honest. who remembers TGL? mostly 25+ males. kids today are too young to even remember NES let alone an overlooked classic. and if we try to use the story to attract an already small fan base..i just dont want to make it cheesey ..i dunno, i just dont think its a good idea. i understand that THIS is where we (us, you) are supposed to talk about the plot/story. but i think that we should come up with a 2 min intro story and have almost no story after that...lets just face it...this is a Space Shooter / adventure game....not a romantic novel. its about the gameplay. thats whats important. (but this IS the plot section...so ive said my piece. virgin idea.....scratch that (IMHO)
i almost didnt post this because i really dont want to make anyone mad. but i feel i needed to give my opinion
Your opinion is what's needed. :)
Actually, there WAS alot of story and interaction with the Blue Landers when the computer was explaining the history of Naju, but it was skipable if you wished to.
@Megadeth502:
girls can like gameplay too... we don't crave romance to see something as interesting.
i think you confuse games with relationships ;)
but yeah, I think a deep backstory is needed for the game to make it feel like a TGL sequel.
Quote from: MoonCloud on April 30, 2010, 05:31:56 PM
@Megadeth502:
girls can like gameplay too... we don't crave romance to see something as interesting.
i think you confuse games with relationships ;)
but yeah, I think a deep backstory is needed for the game to make it feel like a TGL sequel.
what i ment to say was i dont think we should make a story, to attract girls. nothing at all against females its just simply this. if a story is wrote to attract young girls....or young boys... or whoever, if the story is tailored to a specific demographic, it just seems it wont be true to the original, somewhat "selling out".
if ya catch my drift
i think we should worry less about sales, or attracting anybody but hardcore fans. and more about making a good cool story, and most importantly excellent gameplay
Quote from: Megadeth502 on April 30, 2010, 07:15:34 PM
i think we should worry less about sales, or attracting anybody but hardcore fans. and more about making a good cool story, and most importantly excellent gameplay
:3
The game will be free. We don't have to think about sales but only to make the game awesome :)
This site created for people to express their opinions and expectations from the sequel. Well and also talk around original game and surprisingly rom hacks discussions appeared which was a great present!
So please post your thoughts! To see the possible sequel from different eyes is as important as donations :3
My idea wasn't about attract teens. It goes togeter with beign intresting and same time attractive for public.
There can be other ways of some girl or woman become guardian.
Well, glad that more people decided to join in!
The aim for what I had in mind was a "Side story" to the main gameplay, in the same sense of TGL, there's more to find for most of the time, but you may be able to skip it.
Atleast we have something of a start which is
1: Guardian Selection Contest/Ceremoni
2: Failed to get the first spot, but the first winner became obselete/Not able to become Guardian, which later gets choosen as a second in row.
3: Guardian is something very rare, and decided in the teenage year to become. Several many years between each Guardian Ceremoni/Contest due to resources to "make" a Guardian
4: Becomming a Guardian makes you "more" then human, but you loose most of your Freedom and Humanity(To some extent, think Robocop?)
5: It's a New Character we shall play, not Miria(She may have Cameo at most.)
6: It's a Sequel to after the Naju.
7: We are trying to "bring the Aliens" from Naju back in some way, haven't decided yet.
8: The Landers will be back(Miria brought them along from Naju before it exploded, however, she is the only one able to percieve them, or communicate with them due to certain event that happened in Miria's adventure.
9: Why was Naju sent to Earth?(Biggest question so far.)
So! Keep brining ideas and we'll take which we sound the most enjoyable!
Arseniy, bring in your "pointers" as well, in case I missed something, but I think these are imo the more important points atm.
i like it so far. 1 small problem. the blue landers are not specifically for TGL. they (i think) are an IREM sprite in other IREM games....or maybe its Compile. anyways. that may be illegal
It's Compile's mascot, however, we may "change" them around a bit, but still call them landers.
Graphically atleast.
Hm.. Well
Compile not exist anymore.
What the copyrights laws? We doing a fan project. We not sell it, not put advertisements inside.
The contest can be different. For example the Dream Girl conest have some different competitions like singing, runing, etc. For example they put some sensors on the body while girl runs or other competition. The obvious side is that this sensors shows maybe a heart bits or something like that. I mean they do some competition but making a trick to get info if the girl can be the guardian. Like while they sing they get info about voice parameters and this parametrs used to get some info about person's abilities.
The contest tho is not the necessary. Most intresting part I find is that there no way to produce many guardians but only one guardian in a long period of time.
I see a big plus to have a great deep thoughtfull story for a game. it can be very skipable to not bother anybody who look for the action.
Having lot of interest from a side people who never played TGL is a big plus. They can add the donations and donations will be used to pay programmers or artists.
hmm... i dont know what any one will think of this..
but, has anyone ever seen the fifth element... where the perfect being was created and it was a woman with amazing skills... something like that would feel more real rather than humans deciding who is good enough to be a guardian and holding a contest in one part of the world..
just a thought
I think better to have some good girl from earth transformed into guardian than some clone created by aliens.
Sure 5th elements is great movie but... She can't transform into spaceship :3 :3 :3
im not claiming that lee-loo can turn into a space ship, just liking the idea of how she was created and thought that would be more intriguing than a beauty contest... but thats why we are here right? discuss!
im starting to like arseniy's story ideas. especially being able to skip it, for the people who want to just shoot stuff :)
but maybe if you do the story segment you will be able to obtain a couple upgrades right at the beginning of the game that you will miss if you skip the story
like a defense and/or a increase in shot speed
or maybe you get three automatic upgrades at the begining of the game.. if you skip the story you get the default upgrades, if you dont you can customize or something
Not to be a prune here, but keep this to the basic grounds for the possible plot.
As for the extra content, it depends on what others players here say, but keep that to the other forum. :P
Quote from: RandomSpriter on May 03, 2010, 09:38:31 PM
Not to be a prune here, but keep this to the basic grounds for the possible plot.
As for the extra content, it depends on what others players here say, but keep that to the other forum. :P
Yup. The ideas about upgrades is not a plot ;)
yep your right. my bad.
It's not bad. :P
Just at the wrong place.
ANYWAY
Back to the topic!
What was the last order of ideas we had that sounded possible to be used?
It would be great to involve some real moral/ethic problems into the game with some phylosophical/psychological thoughts and ideas. But keeping it from the real facts cuz we not want the project to be closed by ideological reasons.
My personal opinion is that the story should be taken seriously. It can be fairy tail but has real parralels in our life. So this way it's not another game to waste time and forget about life problems but also plot and story that would give player some spirit food.
Anybody knows how strongly mythology has affect on the mind? That's why it's used everywhere from movies to advertisement but this is not a good education because commercial production has very thin interest that ends on money income.
We here doing non commercial game so we should try to put our best thoughts into it. It's our very little effort into the human culture. Doesn't it the best way to make game? When you not chained by money I think it is.
Would love to see real scientists involved. Tech or Psychologists it's both would be good to hear a good opinions from educated people. But only Good ones ;)
Moral/Ethric based Plot: I'm all for that, but we really need to figure out which setting of location we'll be doing.
Earth? Naju? etc etc. Of course we could also add in other characters at this setting that has some of the morale/ethic issues we could bring up?
How it interact with the player's heroine for example.
Plot being serious: That's what I had in mind as well from the beginning.
Heck, we may even add in death to the scene of the other characters(Visual maybe as well?)
Mythology: Not sure on what you mean on this.
Money means nothing to me, I prefer to value things that has no cost or rent on them. :P
And as for real proffesional Human connected opinions: I would advice not to. If we cannot trust ourself to see where we have something we can use for the help to create the game, we shouldn't even be here. :P
That's why every opinion from everyone who loved the original TGL needs to be heard.
i think we should NOT put the new game on NAJU. NAJU gets blown up. and i dont think it would work ver well on earth either.(aliens take over earth....you have to elimnate them. it makes the game very similar to other games)Maybe a different planet/asteroid. named Naji or something that is somehow connected with Naju. or Derived from Naju somehow, and has a similar, but slightly different strain of alien monsters
also. some more plot theme. Naji is flying toward earth...but there is no self destruct mechanism (we can change this, im just throwing out ideas) we have followed the path of Naji on the computer and it looks like the point of impact is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Naji is small. the asteroid is only as big as a basketball or smaller. Naji has no self destruct mechanism (did i say that already :P) its GONNA hit earth no matter what. but with its small size it isnt very harmful. but the aliens are. if Naji collides with earth before the new guardian kills the main boss (and by consequence all the littler ones) than the world will only suffer a little sting as the asteroid lands in the ocean and everything is fine. if we fail to stop the aliens than once the tiny creatures touch our water they grow and begin to take over the world...
so what do you guys think so far?
I think it would be interesting to let the game be a prequel to TGL - in other words a story that happened before.
In that case, we could use NAJU as a planet, and we would already have a good story. Who is really the person behind the recorded messages?
We could make a game out of his story.. but I guess that story wouldn't have a happy ending..
but do you see what I'm getting at here?
We can build a new game based on what we know from the pieces of story that Miria finds for us.
thats a really good idea too.
i always wondered who left the messages in the first place
Quote from: MoonCloud on May 04, 2010, 04:36:13 PM
I think it would be interesting to let the game be a prequel to TGL - in other words a story that happened before.
In that case, we could use NAJU as a planet, and we would already have a good story. Who is really the person behind the recorded messages?
We could make a game out of his story.. but I guess that story wouldn't have a happy ending..
but do you see what I'm getting at here?
We can build a new game based on what we know from the pieces of story that Miria finds for us.
Already taken up that at the thought on Page 1 and 2 about it being a prequel, or sequal(Mostly only talked about a possible sequel so far, with ideas flying around, and we have several things already thought up about the Guardian Creation and other things linked to it.
Brainstorming is only the first phase where people mix their ideas about to see which one feels the most wanted by most of us. :)
Also, a prequel may sound fun too, but that would leave most of our brainstorming so far pretty much unneeded, heh.
Quote from: Megadeth502 on May 04, 2010, 03:58:33 PM
i think we should NOT put the new game on NAJU. NAJU gets blown up. and i dont think it would work ver well on earth either.(aliens take over earth....you have to elimnate them. it makes the game very similar to other games)Maybe a different planet/asteroid. named Naji or something that is somehow connected with Naju. or Derived from Naju somehow, and has a similar, but slightly different strain of alien monsters
also. some more plot theme. Naji is flying toward earth...but there is no self destruct mechanism (we can change this, im just throwing out ideas) we have followed the path of Naji on the computer and it looks like the point of impact is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Naji is small. the asteroid is only as big as a basketball or smaller. Naji has no self destruct mechanism (did i say that already :P) its GONNA hit earth no matter what. but with its small size it isnt very harmful. but the aliens are. if Naji collides with earth before the new guardian kills the main boss (and by consequence all the littler ones) than the world will only suffer a little sting as the asteroid lands in the ocean and everything is fine. if we fail to stop the aliens than once the tiny creatures touch our water they grow and begin to take over the world...
so what do you guys think so far?
What if this Naji isn't able to be self destructed, but since it's smaller then Naju, why not be able to "decrease" the mass by several means?
Like "exploding" off smaller parts, or cut them though, or active energy sources like High Pressured ventilations that get clogged to "push" off smaller blocks of Naji?
Well watch the ending of the game carefuly. Naju not blowed up. It became black. Do you see any stars appears? No. U see explosions and ex-star became totally black because you not see any stars behind it. That is why I got the idea of Naju going to parralel world.
See the gif animation. Download if browser not plays gif animations for you:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/792/najublack.gif
Miria could think Naju did explode because while she was busy with final monster(appeared from nowhere? read further)Naju went to parralel world. So where from last boss appeared? Well think about. The falling small things is a part of defence system.It's same as in the begining. So it means Miria flyes back to Naju trying to figure what's going on and why ex-star not blowed but strangely went black and the boss appeared from the Naju itself to protect it to go into the parralel world.
Prequel:
I think prequel better be a different project. I hope we do a project with something where it is easy to edit levels, dialogs. By now we discussed a little Multi Media Fusion game making program. Nothing else on horisont yet.
Would you agree with me it should be an open source project with mods possible for people who are not familiar with programming but level designing and dialogues? Something like M.U.G.E.N projects you know? The elements should be possible to switch/port between moded games as well. So it would be possible to make new hero in the old game or changing weapons for the "classic" hero. Or put new enemies made for side story into the other story.
This would be a way to keep project going on after the basic sequel done. Side stories and new stories could be done based on that.
prequel might be a fast paced insane hard version of the game that is actually a "virtual" training to the mission
not a huge idea ad its been done im sure... but i put it out here so ya.... :-\
Quote from: RagnarokNAJU on May 04, 2010, 09:36:40 PM
prequel might be a fast paced insane hard version of the game that is actually a "virtual" training to the mission
not a huge idea ad its been done im sure... but i put it out here so ya.... :-\
Well, that sounds fine really. as a Tutorial level, but for a full game to be all in tutorial sounds like it's abit overboard.^^
Arseniy: Naju really looks like it blew up. =/
Then again, never trust your eyes. So that sounds like a good use for it, but Naju was pretty damaged from Miria's adventure, even with all the self destruct initiated and blown up.
Prequel: I say we should do a sequel really. Just to make sure Miria gets a cameo :P
As for open source, I say that the one who will do the programming should decide that if he wants to or not, since it's his own coding and everything that he'll do.
well look animation closely. Do you see a single star behind Naju's "Blew"? No there is no :) If it did blow then you could see some stars appear on the empty space here you see only black.
+ Where from the last boss appeared? I think it's possible that Miria flies back to Naju and meets him.
I don't think 1 person able to programm it. Some would write basic stuff, some people could programm single enemies etc...
That is why yet I think about MultiMedia Fusion or something like that. It would be easy to catch up and we can come up with tutorial how to program enemy without a need to learn all the MMF or any other programm we going to use for the TGL project.
Well, I think we should avoid Naju for the sequel really.
A new setting never hurts with the similiar atmosphere, and what if Naju really just phased out as a defense mechanism? Would mean that the Self destruct was not even there. <.< Even though Miria activated it.
As for the Coding: Why not use Game Maker for it? It's easy to use imo, and usually never takes alot of time to learn.
Quote from: RandomSpriter on May 05, 2010, 10:06:26 AM
Well, I think we should avoid Naju for the sequel really.
A new setting never hurts with the similiar atmosphere, and what if Naju really just phased out as a defense mechanism? Would mean that the Self destruct was not even there. <.< Even though Miria activated it.
As for the Coding: Why not use Game Maker for it? It's easy to use imo, and usually never takes alot of time to learn.
Because Multi Media Fusion is same as game maker but better. Well but also some guy told me better avoid game maker as it is not very as cross platformed as MMF.
Another plot vary:Aliens attack earth and our weapons failed against them.
Some "scientist" gives his friend who has a daughter some persmission to a secret place where The Guardian is. With the destruction very close they get into the secret place and the girl goes inside the capsule(megaman!?)without really knowing whats going on. Gettin inside capsule she very fast gettin to sleep and the capsule moves deeper inside the earth making The Guardian some protected.
After 500 years The Guardian awakes and getting on surface.
The Earth is under aliens control and humans are slaves.
Would the Aliens be the Naju monsters or others?
Quote from: RandomSpriter on May 05, 2010, 07:53:46 PM
Would the Aliens be the Naju monsters or others?
Probably the same ones that attacked Naju. But if we decide that Miria destroyed Naju then no monsters from Naju.
Another variation of the setting of the sequel
Naju: Research and Development Planet
Naji: Military Based Planet
Naja: Habital Based Planet
Najo: Natural Based Planet(Where the Aliens came from before spreading to all Naj-eons.
The one who said about Naji before gave me this idea that it may be of some connection to other created Planets.
Not to mention that all things found on Naju feels like it was a research or something about "A zoo" with minerals, jungles and lots more.
About Naju: Actually, I think we can use Naju again, however, it's not a playable area due to that it would be a remake then, which is what we not would want. About what Arseniy said before I think we may be able to use "phasing" out of this plane of existance as a valid option of keeping Naju around.
I have an idea of something that would make sense when I post next time, it'll take some time to write.
About Arseniy's Vary: The only qualm I have about that, is that the aliens wouldn't "slave" the population, more like they would feed on them. =/
Quote from: RandomSpriter on May 05, 2010, 08:54:07 PM
About Arseniy's Vary: The only qualm I have about that, is that the aliens wouldn't "slave" the population, more like they would feed on them. =/
that makes sense.. humanity threatened out of exsistence rather than inslaved..
for some reason Dune popped into my head as i wrote this.. especially the hidden groups of humans and hiding from the worm...
Hm! Well but isn't Naju was a planet conquored by aliens??? The why Aliens would have similar names for their planets?
It says this star Naju was our home - remember?
But we were invided by evil-life forms.
I wonder why it was star - not planet. Or is it in english you can call planet a star?
Playing Naju with Miria feels a lot like a planet left by thinking creatures.
The monsters behave silly while everything around is high technology.
Its sometimes a common mistake to call a planet a star. It happened pretty often on older SciFi Movies "I come from another star.". And the reason why the monsters behave silly is quite simple: Technical Limitation of the NES i suppose.
I played around with some ideas for a sequel I wanted to create myself as well some time ago... I thought of an ancient, unknown race. They where immortal, but they knew the universe would collapse one day, so they started to transform the universe. They broke apart planets and suns to create gigantic [Dyson Spheres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere)] to gain more power and control over how the universe works. Naju was one of their "smaller" Scouting Units, since it only had the size of a normal planet and was powered by a dwarf star. Since the "Harvesters" (that's the name the rest of the galaxy gave them) thought Naju would be enough to "liberate" the matter of the Sol System, they where pretty surprised when they found out their plan has been prevented by a single Cyborg from Earth, which strengthened the resistance against the Harvesters, since the surviving landers spread this information through the galaxy.
Part two would be in my storyline about 50 years after part one, when the first battle Dyson Sphere would reach Pluto and destroy it. To add some story twists, the original Guardian would have gone missing since 25 years, so the military of the Unified Earth (Its my opinion, once mankind faces an greater thread then them self, they will unify till that thread disappears again :3) tried to create a second one, only this version is an android, unlike the first one, which was a cyborg.
i really like the earth invasion idea. maybe instead of them laying doormat in space, it could be that debrrie from naju's destruction came crashing into earth's atmosphere and some forms of naju life survived. the crator of the debrie blast could then serve as the focal point / final level type place.
alternitvley, the plot could be something like after the destruction of naju, alyssa is sent into deep space to find the origins of these creatures so they never strike earth again.
Quote from: faxinadu on May 06, 2010, 07:26:09 AM
i really like the earth invasion idea. maybe instead of them laying doormat in space, it could be that debrrie from naju's destruction came crashing into earth's atmosphere and some forms of naju life survived. the crator of the debrie blast could then serve as the focal point / final level type place.
alternitvley, the plot could be something like after the destruction of naju, alyssa is sent into deep space to find the origins of these creatures so they never strike earth again.
And that's how far we've gotten more or less
The 2 possible "ways" of the story at the moment is these 2.
they could maybe be combined.
could use the earth invasion plot, and at some point in the plot information is found that leads to the coordinates of the naju creature's origins :)
Now I'm liking the way you think!
Earth may be the first step. Hmmm.
This may be able to become more then just one sequel, maybe even two. :P
maybe a google docs account can be created for this project, with participating members all having access to the documents online. this could serve as a sort of development hq for all the files related to the plot and production.
Yup we will use google docs right when we have real need in that.
I was thikning... Maybe we should not make a plot with mass humans killing? There is so much apocaliptic plots(movies games) I thought why to add a misirable feelings to the players... I think we better to keep battle out of earth.
i also think the game should not take place on earth.
maybe the game can start on earth. the intro story segment or whatever. and then the guardian blasts off into space to go save the earth again.
???
Well, we could have it very simply.
Intro
1: Piece of the "IT" drops on Earth, carrying over some of the aliens. that creates a Crater close to a city, and they have to call in a Guardian to attack the crater, and need to go through the Ruined City and then to the Crater where they face off a smaller version of IT(Stuck in the ground.)
2: After going through some of the Landers Information, it seems that there's several other "najeons" in existance, and Naju was just one part of it. With that information, the Earth Unity Society decides to "scavenge" what the other planets have, and that they have found out that Naji is the closest of the Najeons and sends off a group of Guardians to investigate it.
Hmm?
That thing that attacked Naju also can be called EDO - evil dark object :) Not very new idea but why not suggest. Or maybe the bad creature behind that call himself Edo without interpretating it like abbreviation.
Quote from: RandomSpriter on May 07, 2010, 05:44:16 PM
Well, we could have it very simply.
Intro
1: Piece of the "IT" drops on Earth, carrying over some of the aliens. that creates a Crater close to a city, and they have to call in a Guardian to attack the crater, and need to go through the Ruined City and then to the Crater where they face off a smaller version of IT(Stuck in the ground.)
2: After going through some of the Landers Information, it seems that there's several other "najeons" in existance, and Naju was just one part of it. With that information, the Earth Unity Society decides to "scavenge" what the other planets have, and that they have found out that Naji is the closest of the Najeons and sends off a group of Guardians to investigate it.
Hmm?
i like this a lot
Quote from: Shoba on May 06, 2010, 02:41:35 AM
Its sometimes a common mistake to call a planet a star. It happened pretty often on older SciFi Movies "I come from another star.". And the reason why the monsters behave silly is quite simple: Technical Limitation of the NES i suppose.
I played around with some ideas for a sequel I wanted to create myself as well some time ago... I thought of an ancient, unknown race. They where immortal, but they knew the universe would collapse one day, so they started to transform the universe. They broke apart planets and suns to create gigantic [Dyson Spheres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere)] to gain more power and control over how the universe works. Naju was one of their "smaller" Scouting Units, since it only had the size of a normal planet and was powered by a dwarf star. Since the "Harvesters" (that's the name the rest of the galaxy gave them) thought Naju would be enough to "liberate" the matter of the Sol System, they where pretty surprised when they found out their plan has been prevented by a single Cyborg from Earth, which strengthened the resistance against the Harvesters, since the surviving landers spread this information through the galaxy.
Part two would be in my storyline about 50 years after part one, when the first battle Dyson Sphere would reach Pluto and destroy it. To add some story twists, the original Guardian would have gone missing since 25 years, so the military of the Unified Earth (Its my opinion, once mankind faces an greater thread then them self, they will unify till that thread disappears again :3) tried to create a second one, only this version is an android, unlike the first one, which was a cyborg.
Anything else you can provide about this?
So far this is the only thing we can think of atm from your words about the creators of Naju. :p
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/784/part1keyevents.png)
Main Key Events for Part 1 "Introduction."
Of course, Work in Progress. =P
Sounds like very big RPG. If this is only part 1!!??
Imagine how much pictures you need for this.
Whats the plan?
Also what is DP and what is DAP?
system D.P. is the name of the suit in The Guardian Legend.. you should check out the back stories to the game, interesting stuff! :3
I not remember where I mentioned about human as parasite but I must say I was wrong. I think it is right to say about parasitic life style. Human is very complex so even having parasitic strategies as a main life survival strategies still human is not parasite.
So hooray for the "parasitic life style" label :redlander:!
So this plot looks a bit too complex. How you think we can release this in the game visually?
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/784/part1keyevents.png)
Quote from: arseniy on May 26, 2010, 07:35:53 PM
Sounds like very big RPG. If this is only part 1!!??
Imagine how much pictures you need for this.
Whats the plan?
Also what is DP and what is DAP?
The pictures aren't that many, mostly will be Stills per event and texts(Like Super Metroid from SNES introduction.)
It MAY look big, but I'm trying to only "translate" over the important things to get the story alittle going.
System DP was the original Suit that Miria wore in TGL. It had the ability to produce the current neccessities for Miria making her able to survive in any enviroment at all that she was to undertake.
The System DA(Aligning)S however does not have the function to create the Raw energy that the person needs, what you have when you took on the suit stays in a eco system function.
See it as a Bio Dome versus a Nuclear Reactor. Something like that.
This was merely created to maintain the human balance that the person has, and thus only people who were able to have the best available balance in their body was accepted to use the System DAP suit.
The Space Ship(Currently unamed) is there means to travel the long distance to Naji(While Miria just flew there with herself.)
The playable parts are Breakout 1 and the Naji Defense System(However during the battle the ship get struck.)
Quote from: RandomSpriter on April 28, 2010, 02:52:53 AM
We can keep it sexy, but needs to be within reason.
I see the beauty contest idea gone silent for a few pages now. Just to be sure: I think it's silly. But in case it gets somehow revived, I'd suggest a high-rank sport event instead. I am pretty sure the girls here would be far more trustable to hold this power.
I suddendly realized that not having played the original Guardic, I probably miss quite a few things, such as the references to System DP and DAS. I still want to have a try at this.
Q: Why Naju's monsters try to conquer the earth?They don't. Naju is just a propelled object. The propulsion system activates automatically each time there's sufficient energy but further observation is required to understand its workings.
I could elaborate that in the future.Monsters themselves never posed a threat, the bulk size of Naju however would have seriously perturbed various planetary orbits by just
entering our solar system. In the even Naju would have collided with Earth or another planet, the colliding planet would probably be destroyed completely. The degreee of damage suffered by Naju cannot be known, but it is speculated it could continue to be a threat even after a collision.
Who is behind the monsters production?The monsters on mazes and corridors are not produced, but rather just exist. It seems that over the eons, the planet itself has turned evil. Its will (if we can call it this way) is so powerful
it is reality and the planet will try to impose its will on the reality whatever it manages to. By a distant observer, slaughtered enemies would appear to pop back into place or rewound back in time.
It is really a natural process, just as gravity pulling stuff down to a surface, just on a different power level. The planet has a self-conservation system based on its (supposed to be) crystalline memory, which over time went bad. It remembers a distorted version of the reality it once observed and will do whatever it takes to restore it.
Who is blue landers? and how they survived against Naju's monsters?Blue landers were the guardians of this planet as it was originally launched or descendants of the original inhabitants. They didn't quite survive the invasion considering they are a few dozens in total. They did survive by living in their special containment rooms - I'm fairly sure those blocks around the screen could shield from every possible form of radiation.
Red landers are a natural variations of blue ones (in the same way a child once in a while will have a characteristic not seen in neither parents, it is rare but not impossible).
Because of this divergence from what Blue landers are, they cannot live in the containment rooms and are exhiled. They are now red with anger (:D) and will help you with more firepower (as opposed to blueys, which are a more "non-belligerant" faction).
It is not know if the enemies having red-blue variants are mutated descendants of exhiled red landers but it seems more likely they could be just the distorted memory of population once there. This is taking for granted they are actually living beings to start with.
It is worth noticing that the "invasion" itself might not have been as we believe.
It is my personal opinion instead that Naju itself could have been a gigantic prison holding the last boss. I mean, the last boss has a single eye as well, I think it could truly be It.
Now, eons back, suppose a civilization were attacked by this thing. Instead of having a belligerent nature however, those mainly developed containment and healing methods. They figured out they couldn't design a weapon to kill this evil being but they could cage it and send the whole planet to someone who could get the rid of it. The cage itself cannot be destroyed: that's what the self-destruct mechanism is for and that's why some corridor bosses are robotic. They are not evil themselves, but rather execute a program to ensure the candidate has the firepower required to slay the boss.
In their original plan, Naju wouldn't have become a evil thing itself. The 'evil' radiates from the boss and corrupted everything else around it. Given enough time, this would have caused enough malfunctions to crack the cage.
Quote from: arseniy on May 04, 2010, 07:02:20 PM
Well watch the ending of the game carefuly. Naju not blowed up. It became black. Do you see any stars appears? No. U see explosions and ex-star became totally black because you not see any stars behind it. That is why I got the idea of Naju going to parralel world.
I'm not sure I get it. It went back to go to the other dimensions? Having Naju survive the destruction comes handy, but those blacking pixels always delivered a sense of dissolution to me.
Quote from: Shoba on May 06, 2010, 02:41:35 AM
They broke apart planets and suns to create gigantic Dyson Spheres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere)
Hey, that's a recurring link! :)
Let's say.
Naju didn't explode, it's still existing.
The creatures on Naju was a mixture of a Aggressive parasite takeover by "IT." And she/he is the "mind controlee" for all the specimens it took over.
Naju was accidently headed for Earth with no "real" aim, however the idea of the story of the game in making a lie of it, We'll see.
Naju indeed had a will of it's own on with the former habitants before IT appeared, and as we saw, it's really turned upside down.
if Naju had it's OWN will of living, it would be indeed interesting, Hmm. What if Naju itself had created the texts? Also would explain "landers" as Communicators?
Did you read manual? There was aliens who took over Naju and send it to the earth.
The own will of planet is cool stuff. I love stories like this :)
I mean if they end like the hero helped to make recover process to run. Like finding the solution to break control of IT over spicies for example.
Oh, they took over Naju? O.o Just as I guessed that "It" was the Alien leader that controlled all. Heh, just speculations though.
And yep, That sounds about right.
Landers could be "sons" of Naju...
Hmm....iiiiinteresting indeed Arseniy.
Quote from: RandomSpriter on March 11, 2011, 09:16:35 AMNaju didn't explode, it's still existing.
Ok, as a whole or or torn apart in pieces?
Quote from: RandomSpriter on March 11, 2011, 09:16:35 AMNaju was accidently headed for Earth with no "real" aim, however the idea of the story of the game in making a lie of it, We'll see.
I'm eager to know more!
Quote from: RandomSpriter on March 11, 2011, 09:16:35 AM
if Naju had it's OWN will of living, it would be indeed interesting, Hmm. What if Naju itself had created the texts? Also would explain "landers" as Communicators?
Considering Naju features large landscapes of flesh and crystalline structures which could really be "bones", I think it seems very reasonable Naju itself is some sort of cosmic life form.
I think having Naju writing the messages seems a bit of a stretch, but the idea of landers as communicators is very interesting, perhaps the two would be simbiotic. Maybe the next evolution of the Naju cosmic life form is to be "upgraded" by landers to be able to sustain... a galactic war?
After all, landers developed incredible technology. It's able to work after countless eons, it seems to be self-sustained and keeps working correctly even after consistent deviation from standard planetary conditions. It natively interfaces with visitors. But they didn't finish the work as they were invaded, or perhaps they didn't finish it in time.
The "metallic" entrance to Naju would be a sample of the "armored" planet. The central hub also seems to be designed towards rationality, other mazes seem like canyons, untamed forests or flesh.
Quote from: UserK on March 11, 2011, 11:40:37 AM
Ok, as a whole or or torn apart in pieces?
We'll see, Torn Apart sounds like a good ending of it.
I'm not sure on how I should see it for now.
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I'm eager to know more!
Don't get high anticipation, there's not much story in this game.
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Considering Naju features large landscapes of flesh and crystalline structures which could really be "bones", I think it seems very reasonable Naju itself is some sort of cosmic life form.
I think having Naju writing the messages seems a bit of a stretch, but the idea of landers as communicators is very interesting, perhaps the two would be simbiotic. Maybe the next evolution of the Naju cosmic life form is to be "upgraded" by landers to be able to sustain... a galactic war?
Thinking big there, UserK. ;)
It's true Naju really looked to be alive if you think about the corridors. But the whole planet being alive is kinda a stretch in such a sense.
Naju Cosmic life form? You mean the aliens, or the original inhabitants?
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After all, landers developed incredible technology. It's able to work after countless eons, it seems to be self-sustained and keeps working correctly even after consistent deviation from standard planetary conditions. It natively interfaces with visitors. But they didn't finish the work as they were invaded, or perhaps they didn't finish it in time.
The "metallic" entrance to Naju would be a sample of the "armored" planet. The central hub also seems to be designed towards rationality, other mazes seem like canyons, untamed forests or flesh.
Well Landers are more of a "slaves" that doesn't have feelings or emotions, like Robots.
I'm having an idea that the "planet" is alive, although not in the sense you are thinking of the whole, but a part of it.
Like the Core of the Capsule(A prison Capsule?)
Did you read manual yet?
http://www.digitpress.com/library/manuals/nes/Guardian%20Legend.pdf
from http://theguardianlegend.com/forum/index.php/topic,49.0.html topic
There is said the evil life forms created corridors.
Robotic landers would sure come handy! Have been put there by original creators. Problem solved!
When I meant "cosmic life form" I meant something like
- The organic planet in Unreal 2. As far as I remember it originally was a standard planet, it has been devoured by some "meat fungus" which was successful at evolution.
- The sphere in Pray (or Prey? I don't remember).
There are plenty of "cosmic life forms" in both DC and Marvel Comics, they're often human-looking to a certain degree and often connected to notions such as life, death, justice, non-interference, hope, strength... but I don't think they are interesting in this context.
Hmmm, been a while since I read the manual, Arseniy, thanks for reminding me. :)
With this, I should go through the story I have and see what I can change to follow it more precisely, would have done a BIG mistake otherwise.
It did say the Life Form created the corridors, but not exactly how. Water World and Desert for example looks odd for a "living being."
Edit: WAIT a second! The Alien SENT it to Earth? Really? Then who wrote the damn messages!?
wow haven't been reading this thread for two years!
that's what happens when you change computer and forget bookmarks :-[
but I am glad that you have continued to discuss this subject, I hope it will continue even more!
don't give up, folks :bluelander: